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redneckgaijin) wrote2010-08-14 06:58 pm
redneckgaijin) wrote2010-08-14 06:58 pm
The Twenty Most Evil? Really?
Apparently some right-wing blogger asked his friends to vote on who the most evil Americans in all history were. The results have Barack Obama being more evil than Timothy McVeigh, Richard Nixon, Benedict Arnold, and Jeffrey Dahmer (who didn't even make the list)... but slightly less evil than the worst man America has ever claimed for a citizen...
... Jimmy Carter.
This result so disgusted another conservative blogger that he made his own, saner list... which, of course, I find a bit incomplete myself.
Of course, this is a game anybody can play, so let's play it.
Who, in your opinion, are the twenty most evil Americans in history? You do NOT have to put them in order if you don't want to. If I get enough responses, I'll tally them, like that original blogger did, and rank them based on number of mentions in lists- not position in lists.
So, post! And forward the challenge, and let me know where to look! It's meme time (I hope)!
EDIT: How do I define "most evil?" For my part, there have to be three criteria involved. First, the person themselves must be, by their nature, evil- which I define as selfish to the point of completely ignoring the consequences to others of their actions. "What's good for me is good for America," "I am the voice of the American people," and "The ends justify the means," are all to me statements of evil intent.
Second, the person involved must have done significant harm to others- a LOT of others- and thus, with few exceptions, must have exercised power of some sort. Only truly egregious mass murderers (like Charles Manson, Jim Jones, or Jeffrey Dahmer) should even be considered (and I only put one on my personal list). By and large these should be people of great wealth, great authority, or both.
Third, the person involved should have few if any redeeming values or qualities. Despite his ruthlessness in creating and building his empire, I don't list Bill Gates because of his truly vast philanthropical works- ditto Andrew Carnegie (whose estate is still giving to charity almost a century after his death) and J. P. Morgan (who twice saved the country from a financial depression). The only exception should be if the act of evil that defines the person was so egregious as to wipe out all other considerations (for example Benedict Arnold).
That's what I judge by, anyway.
Putting them in historical order:
BENEDICT ARNOLD
ANDREW JACKSON
JOHN C. CALHOUN
JAMES K. POLK
WILLIAM WALKER
WILLIAM QUANTRILL
JOHN CHIVINGTON
JOHN WILKES BOOTH
WILLIAM TWEED
THOMAS EDISON
AL CAPONE
J. EDGAR HOOVER
GEORGE LINCOLN ROCKWELL
RICHARD DALEY, SR.
L. RON HUBBARD
RICHARD NIXON
JEFFREY DAHMER
TIMOTHY McVEIGH
ROGER AILES
RICHARD CHENEY
EDIT: some I considered who didn't make the cut, but are still evil in my book
Woodrow Wilson (he'd be my #21)
James Buchanan
Clyde Barrow
D. W. Griffith
Robert Barnwell Rhett
Jefferson Davis (not for being the Confederate President, but for working so hard after the war to create the myth of the Lost Cause and of the unimportance of slavery in the war)
Jim Jones (decided against because Jonestown wasn't in America)
Benjamin Butler
Lyndon B. Johnson (too many good intentions and good deeds; he was the ultimate case of "ends justify the means")
Philip Sheridan (even more of an Indian-killer than Chivington, but at least he never used murder to win votes)
... Jimmy Carter.
This result so disgusted another conservative blogger that he made his own, saner list... which, of course, I find a bit incomplete myself.
Of course, this is a game anybody can play, so let's play it.
Who, in your opinion, are the twenty most evil Americans in history? You do NOT have to put them in order if you don't want to. If I get enough responses, I'll tally them, like that original blogger did, and rank them based on number of mentions in lists- not position in lists.
So, post! And forward the challenge, and let me know where to look! It's meme time (I hope)!
EDIT: How do I define "most evil?" For my part, there have to be three criteria involved. First, the person themselves must be, by their nature, evil- which I define as selfish to the point of completely ignoring the consequences to others of their actions. "What's good for me is good for America," "I am the voice of the American people," and "The ends justify the means," are all to me statements of evil intent.
Second, the person involved must have done significant harm to others- a LOT of others- and thus, with few exceptions, must have exercised power of some sort. Only truly egregious mass murderers (like Charles Manson, Jim Jones, or Jeffrey Dahmer) should even be considered (and I only put one on my personal list). By and large these should be people of great wealth, great authority, or both.
Third, the person involved should have few if any redeeming values or qualities. Despite his ruthlessness in creating and building his empire, I don't list Bill Gates because of his truly vast philanthropical works- ditto Andrew Carnegie (whose estate is still giving to charity almost a century after his death) and J. P. Morgan (who twice saved the country from a financial depression). The only exception should be if the act of evil that defines the person was so egregious as to wipe out all other considerations (for example Benedict Arnold).
That's what I judge by, anyway.
Putting them in historical order:
BENEDICT ARNOLD
ANDREW JACKSON
JOHN C. CALHOUN
JAMES K. POLK
WILLIAM WALKER
WILLIAM QUANTRILL
JOHN CHIVINGTON
JOHN WILKES BOOTH
WILLIAM TWEED
THOMAS EDISON
AL CAPONE
J. EDGAR HOOVER
GEORGE LINCOLN ROCKWELL
RICHARD DALEY, SR.
L. RON HUBBARD
RICHARD NIXON
JEFFREY DAHMER
TIMOTHY McVEIGH
ROGER AILES
RICHARD CHENEY
EDIT: some I considered who didn't make the cut, but are still evil in my book
Woodrow Wilson (he'd be my #21)
James Buchanan
Clyde Barrow
D. W. Griffith
Robert Barnwell Rhett
Jefferson Davis (not for being the Confederate President, but for working so hard after the war to create the myth of the Lost Cause and of the unimportance of slavery in the war)
Jim Jones (decided against because Jonestown wasn't in America)
Benjamin Butler
Lyndon B. Johnson (too many good intentions and good deeds; he was the ultimate case of "ends justify the means")
Philip Sheridan (even more of an Indian-killer than Chivington, but at least he never used murder to win votes)
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For me, Hearst is well off down the list; he didn't invent yellow journalism by any means. In fact, what we now call "yellow journalism," or advocacy journalism (or Fox News), was the way the first newspapers ALL used to be, and were down to Hearst's time. Hearst, for his part, at least encouraged innovation in his newspapers, including protecting creator and journalistic freedom.
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Hm. I've never really kept a list. In no particular order, and until I run out of ideas:
1. William Randolph Hearst.
2. Charles Keating.
3. Tim McVeigh, certainly.
4. Possibly the Unabomber, although he may not qualify because he was mentally ill, as opposed to simply evil.
5. Randall Terry, from Operation Rescue.
6. WalMart. (Hey, the court says corporations are people.)
7. Monsanto.
8. Duplicating your list again, George Lincoln Rockwell.
9. Possibly Phyllis Schlafly.