Lack of Links to WLP...

[redneckgaijin]

http://www.comixpedia.org/index.php/List_of_webcomics

I saw this referred to today as a listing of every known webcomic.

Absurd as that project would be, I do find it notable that not a single WLP webcomic is listed there, nor WLP itself.

Granted, the WikiWLP project will help make info on WLP's projects available... but when Sexy Losers, Slipshine, Ghastly's Ghastly Comic and other adult comics are listed, and nothing WLP does is...

... well, puts me in my place, doesn't it?

Comments

[ericmonster.livejournal.com]

"A listing of every known webcomic" is doomed to failure. i see my comic is listed on there as:

Fetus-X by Eric Millikin & Casey Sorrow February 28, 2000 – present ( http://www.fetusx.com/ )

When Casey hasn't drawn a Fetus-X comic in over 3 years and I'm not sure where they pulled that date from. Casey and I started printing the comics in 1999 and didn't make the website until sometime in July. Maybe they averaged the dates of the print and web debuts?

[demiurgent.livejournal.com]

Dude?

It's a Wiki. Add them. ;)

[demiurgent.livejournal.com]

Also, I don't see this entry claiming anywhere to be a "listing of every known webcomic." It's a listing of every webcomic that has a Comixpedia entry, currently.

[redneckgaijin.livejournal.com]

One of the reasons I started the WikiWLP is that it gives me a place I can post information about WLP things without feeling like a self-promoting trespasser.

I think I'll go WikiWLP something now, in fact.

[demiurgent.livejournal.com]

I believe you. And I concur with those feelings. But a major point of the Webcomics Wiki was to provide a central place where all Webcartoonists could feel like they could post appropriate information without feeling self conscious. ;)

Just saying! I'm a guy who says things!

[redneckgaijin.livejournal.com]

That might have been how it began, but I really don't think you understand what kind of reputation Comixpedia is getting.

I didn't say that the specific article claimed to be a list of all webcomics ever. I said that I had seen it -referred- to as such... on another site.

Comixpedia is coming to be regarded as a "professional" news and review site. As such, it is gathering a bit of baggage that comes with all such sites. First, not everyone is welcome- there's a distinct feeling that only certain professional people are allowed to write there. Second, only that which is important is to be listed. Posting one's own material would be acceptable on an amateur webpage, but on a professional website it would be, well, unprofessional. One must, instead, wait for the professionals to notice the work and decide if it merits review. If they never do, well, it must not have been all that important.

This probably isn't what either the Webcomics Wiki or Comixpedia itself was intended to be, but in the eyes of webcomics fans it's becoming that, just as Websnark almost immediately became an important professional webcomics review blog in the eyes of the public. To play on Descartes, perception creates reality.

The more I fiddle with WikiWLP, the more I think that further and massive decentralization of Wikis is a good idea- democratizing data and allowing for greater inclusion and less exclusion.

Anyway, done with today's WikiWLP entry:

http://www.wlpcomics.com/wiki/index.php?title=Chocolate_Milkmaid

[demiurgent.livejournal.com]

Comixpedia.com is a magazine that only certain people get to write to, though Xerexes will punch me if I don't say "submit! SUBMITTTT!" to anyone interested.

Comixpedia.ORG is a wiki anyone on the planet can contribute to, with the stated goal of being a comprehensive reference resource and encyclopedia on webcomics.

A != B. And for my money, you do yourself and WLP a disservice by not having the most competant authority on WLP -- namely you -- adding to and fact checking stuff in the encyclopedia section. That's what it's there for.

[redneckgaijin.livejournal.com]

.com != .org, true, but the popular perception is that comixpedia.x = comixpedia.y .

I had a quick look-over some of the entries, and am vaguely frustrated that I can't immediately determine if any entry is, or isn't, done by the particular webcomic's creators. On the one hand, that's a good thing- it eliminates accusations of bias and self-promotion- but on the other hand it doesn't help me out with my personal quandary, i. e. "Should I use this for a pretty damn blatant self-promote?"

'Cause whether or not anyone else knows, I know. I self-promote on a small level- guilty of it multiple times in Websnark comments- but doing so here feels wrong to me. Fact-checking I'd do asked or not, and with all the diplomacy of a hungover rhinoceros with a toothache, but I think I'll restrict my -new- articles to (a) WikiWLP or (b) issues I'm not personally involved with.

[jinwicked.livejournal.com]

Judging from the maybe 2-3 referral hits a month I get from the Comixpedia Wiki for Lunch Break, I think you're worrying about a non-issue with regards to self-promotion. As in, there are more productive things you could be doing with your time. I don't think anyone reads Comixpedia except people promoting their own stuff, and other creators anxious to see if they're being talked about.

[redneckgaijin.livejournal.com]

The WikiWLP stuff, at least, gets me to write on days when otherwise I wouldn't do a single creative thing. That's a positive. (And nothing else I do seems to produce much except more debt, whatever I try...)

And thanks for the mutual friending- appreciate it.

[jinwicked.livejournal.com]

Well if you have a Wiki on your site for your stuff, that's going to be useful for your visitors or people looking for info about you. So by all means yeah, work on that. I have to be working on something pretty much constantly so that's not quite the issue for me — I'm never short on things to do.

I'm just saying I wouldn't sweat not getting "talked about" or "remembered" by the review sites, because not that many people read them to begin with. It's pretty much one huge circle jerk and isn't worth the time it takes to be concerned about it. Of all the [reviewish/comic board] places I've ever gotten a mention, Mr. Burns up there is pretty much the only one that actually netted me any traffic. Concidentally he's actually good at what he does and writes more than 'omg this is kewl!' or 'omg this is the suxx0rs!'. Shit, one guy posted this quote from me out of context trying to make me look like some awful, ungrateful, fan-hating bitch, and no one gave a crap because no one reads his site... even if they did it's obvious what he wrote is retarded and just wrong. So what I'm saying is: Do what you need to do, and don't worry about what reviewers have to say or not say.

And thanks for the mutual friending-appreciate it.

I decided to forgive you for insulting the dpi of my books at AnimeFEST. ;)

[starcat-jewel.livejournal.com]

Kris, that's a surprisingly female attitude -- and I don't mean that as a slam. But you're expressing something that cultural sexism tells women all the time: don't toot your own horn, just sit around and passively wait for Important People to notice you. And many, many women internalize it.

The problem with that is, "they" never will notice you sitting there waiting to be noticed -- because they'll keep being distracted by other people who aren't so reticent. It's okay to vote for yourself, goddammit!

[redneckgaijin.livejournal.com]

In my experience, the belief that bragging and self-promotion is rude isn't limited to women.

Of course, the principal person who drilled that belief into my head -was- female, but then most mothers tend to be female, absent radical surgery.